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Advice on NZ printers proofs. 
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JE

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1/11/2009, 11:20 am



I am well aware that some years ago De La Rue sold off a large quantity of proofs into the philatelic market since when there has been a steady stream of this material for sale, particularly at auction - ebay - to name but one. As an occasional purchaser of this material, I am often confused by the huge variation in price , and am therefore wary as to its provenance.

Can anyone offer advice on printers proof stamps, and in particular whether any of the material frequently on offer should be avoided by the serious collector. 

Thank you

JE 
Posted by:
VR

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1/11/2009, 10:15 pm


Re: Advice on NZ printers proofs.

JE

Did you have any specific issues or material in mind?

There is quite a bit of De La Rue material from the 1960 definitive issue which is appearing on the market at the moment imperf, or in the case of the 3d Kowhai, three colours missing. In the latter case this (so called) error comes from a series of colour separations made by the printer in 1959 ahead of the first issue. Fine if sold as a set of colour separations but not if sold as a missing colour.

The 1963 Railway Centenary also exists as a series of colour separations. From memory these are imperf. Be suspicious of any single example of this issue being offered as 'spectacular' missing colours.

VR

Posted by:
JE

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3/11/2009, 8:19 pm


Re: Advice on NZ printers proofs.

VR

Thanks for your helpful note. I have bought examples of proof material in the past, GV in both original colours and in black eg 1/- single in black and a block x 4 3d recess in black also. Other examples I have include imperforate pairs of GV1, in original shades and similar for QE11.

Chalon proofs are regularly for sale on ebay as well as the previously mentioned issues. I can't discren any obvious market price for this material, which features regularly in other auctions as well.

Your general advice 'buyer beware' regarding some of the missing colours and misperfs from 1960's onwards I have previoulsy picked up from notes in the Campbell Patterson catalogue. Do you have any advice regarding the earlier printers proof issues? Thank you.

JE

Posted by:
VR

New Member

5/11/2009, 1:05 am


Re: Advice on NZ printers proofs.

Hi JE

Most of the material that comes to market from the 1882 Second Sidefaces through the 1898s, Ed Vll to GV is from the plates. Some of this is proof material, or more correctly colour trials as they are often in colours other than the issued colour, printed in preparation for issue. However a lot of material is re-printed at a later date from the original plates. The commonest examples of this are the late reprints of the 1882 second sidefaces in black. These are offically sanctioned prints from the original plates but were actually printed in the 1890s. Plate proofs of this issue do exist (1d and 2d in the issued colours - scarce and of the of the 1/2d, 21/2d and 5d - in a range of colours and reasonably common, but still pricey). Pulls also exist of these from the dies. These are scarcer but be wary of anything with narrow margins described as 'die proofs'. Die proofs should have good wide margins on all 4 sides.

As for the Chalons I can do no better than refer you to the Society web pages. Go to "New Zealand Stamp Images" then to "The full face queens" and finally to "Hausberg and Jolliffe reprints". This will tell you all you need to know about most of the Chalon "proofs" that appear on sites like e-Bay. Very collectable but only when the price is reasonable.

Moving to more modern material, there is quite abit of genuine proof material around from the GVl and early QEll period. Usually imperf and in the issued colours.

For other issues the RPSNZ Handbooks have all the info. If you need specific info on a particular issue then feel free to ask the questions here. Somebody in the Society will have access to the handbooks and will be more than happy to look it up for you.

Regards

VR

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perfpilot1

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11/1/2011, 9:04 am


Re: Advice on NZ printers proofs.

I have been specializing on the QEII series of 1953-63 for many years and have managed to obtain all the proofs (including booklet panes) except for the 1/-, 1/6d and 1/9d despite much correspondence with dealers some of whom have advised that they have never heard of these three proofs.
Has anyone seen these or know of a source where I could obtain these three needed to complet my collection??
Perfpilot1

Posted by:
J-LW

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25/5/2012, 10:00 am


Re: Advice on NZ printers proofs.

 Posted by JE

I am well aware that some years ago De La Rue sold off a large quantity of proofs into the philatelic market since when there has been a steady stream of this material for sale, particularly at auction - ebay - to name but one. As an occasional purchaser of this material, I am often confused by the huge variation in price , and am therefore wary as to its provenance.

Can anyone offer advice on printers proof stamps, and in particular whether any of the material frequently on offer should be avoided by the serious collector. 

Thank you

JE 



 

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